tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post340350553210799856..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: Do you object to being labelled 'homophobic' when you are actually just 'homosceptic'?Peter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-42514842089652420982012-12-03T06:46:40.521-08:002012-12-03T06:46:40.521-08:00Surely bothering about grammatical nuance is irrel...Surely bothering about grammatical nuance is irrelevant here? We know what the writer means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-27051982320102948592012-05-28T10:18:24.984-07:002012-05-28T10:18:24.984-07:00Be careful not to confuse people with facts when t...Be careful not to confuse people with facts when they are trying to find biblical justification for their bigotry, forcing their religious views on others by law whilst claiming an attack on religious freedom, whining about being called homophobic whilst throwing round the word "sodomite", and pretending to be concerned with the truth whilst clinging to dogna to back up their hypocrisy.KaraChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14628836396913038996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-32365241855378177422012-05-23T13:41:53.131-07:002012-05-23T13:41:53.131-07:00JohnT2012 - if in quoting John 13:34 you are attem...JohnT2012 - if in quoting John 13:34 you are attempting to justify same sex erotic love, you've failed. Those cunning Greeks in whose language the New Testament was written have many words for love and the word for love in that verse is 'agape' love which is nothing to do with the sexual 'eros' love you are implying.<br /><br />You won't find any commendation of same sex 'eros' love in Jesus words or the remainder of the New Testament.<br /><br />Of course if you could mean some other 'god' entirely given the equivocal nature of the term...<br /><br />UEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-89998653725995845082012-05-08T06:20:42.025-07:002012-05-08T06:20:42.025-07:00"Homosexual orientation is a predominant desi..."Homosexual orientation is a predominant desire. It is sometimes a choice but often not. <br /><br />Homosexual erotic activity however is virtually always a choice."<br /><br />Great. Totally agreed. Exactly the same as Heterosexual orientation and activity. We agree!<br /><br />So, on that note: I'm not a Christian and I'm going to do whatever I like with my life and body.<br /><br />I respect your path in life, that you chose to be guided by a religion. Fantastic.<br /><br />You should totally be able to live your life according to your beliefs, and I should be allowed to live my life according to mine.<br /><br />So that means, for me, that I don't care if anyone's living together married, unmarried, having sex, not living together, whatever. Their life and choices are up to them, and they are none of my business.<br /><br />If your decision, and your path in life, (and I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about you, and don't mean this to cause any offence) was to wait until you found the right woman who you loved, and then not live together or have sex until after you'd married, then that's great. Again it's none of my business, it's your life. I would certainly never organise a petition to stop you getting married to the person you loved!<br /><br />So, the thing now I'd ask, is that you let me have my life. I don't care what you think about me living with my boyfriend, or having sex when we're not married... what I do with my life should be none of your business.<br /><br />Should churches be forced to marry gay couples? Of course not. A church is (for comparison's sake) a club. There are rules and codes of conduct. But I don't want to be a part of the club. It's our governments role to supply basic equal rights to all of us.<br /><br />I'm guessing a Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim couple couldn't get married in a Catholic church? But they could go down to the local council hall and have a civil marriage ceremony? Great, thanks, I'll have one of those.Trolleymusichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05175840867429103947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-77054296025423932032012-05-07T17:39:44.997-07:002012-05-07T17:39:44.997-07:00I think I understand what you're saying. I adv...I think I understand what you're saying. I advocate the removal of the word marriage from the state system altogether, as I believe the Bible doesn't envisage the state being involved with it.<br /><br />However I don't think the couple with the B&B, for example, are using the legal definition of marriage, ratehr the Biblical one. So I don;t think they are saying that if the state approved gay marriage and a married gay couple came they would give them a double bed. I think thsoe people are trying to be faithful to the Bible's teaching. If anything they're just saying that it is the sexual immorality they don't want to facilitate (whether homosexual or heterosexual), rather than ranking which sins are worst.Chris Hewardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821822707932676551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-47240749212050482332012-05-07T17:24:13.973-07:002012-05-07T17:24:13.973-07:00Depends whether you're saying "It's b...Depends whether you're saying "It's been rejected and therefore it is an unknown word" or "On deliberating whether it is a known word it has rejected this suggestion". I think he meant the latter.Chris Hewardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821822707932676551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-84151493809940745012012-05-04T14:59:56.504-07:002012-05-04T14:59:56.504-07:00When it comes to homosexual activity: it is still ...When it comes to homosexual activity: it is still an action between my God and I.<br /><br />You are not his enforcer. Live your life and I'll live mine and above that "Love one another as I have loved you".JohnT2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/13127140932337266401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-32042586873505151382012-05-04T10:16:14.868-07:002012-05-04T10:16:14.868-07:00You have misunderstood me.
Homosexual orientatio...You have misunderstood me. <br /><br />Homosexual orientation is a predominant desire. It is sometimes a choice but often not. <br /><br />Homosexual erotic activity however is virtually always a choice.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-68688270421354534802012-05-04T08:59:26.065-07:002012-05-04T08:59:26.065-07:00What makes you think it is a choice? Where is your...What makes you think it is a choice? Where is your evidence other than wishful thinking?<br /><br />I never chose to be gay. Why would I choose a sexual orientation that would cause me so much grief in life? Why would anyone want to engender such hate towards themselves.<br /><br />I was born white and I had no choice. I was born in Britain and I had no choice. I have blue eyes and I had no choice. I have blonde hair and I had no choice.<br /><br />I am gay and I had no choice.<br /><br />I am a Christian and I am Gay and for my sins my Lord will judge me, and forgive, but you most certainly won't have any bearing on that at all and you'd do well to remember your place in the order of things.<br /><br />"Let he without sin cast the first stone".JohnT2012https://www.blogger.com/profile/13127140932337266401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-732093845657878932012-03-17T06:41:23.807-07:002012-03-17T06:41:23.807-07:00This is a completely false analogy. Homosexual ori...This is a completely false analogy. Homosexual orientation is a predominant desire and and homosexual erotic activity is a choice. <br /><br />Sex, race, age and health are neither desires nor choices. <br /><br />You have made a mindbogglingly naive category mistake, but sadly you are not alone in this.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-31857685763795409532012-03-17T06:17:56.041-07:002012-03-17T06:17:56.041-07:00'does not agree with the principle of homosexu...'does not agree with the principle of homosexuality in moral and ethical terms"<br /><br />Here we go again: the basic test for homophobia. Replace 'homosexuality' in that sentence with 'femininity'/'being black'/ 'being (cauc)asian' / 'youth' /'age' / 'intelligence' / 'ill-health'...<br /><br />and ask yourself if the sentence is really as mindbogglingly intolerant and ignorant of the basic facts of life as it seems.anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-53592673458515454462012-03-12T10:05:31.150-07:002012-03-12T10:05:31.150-07:00"Absence of children is the natural outcome o..."Absence of children is the natural outcome of a homosexual relationship, yet they demand the right to adopt, thus acting against the 'natural' which for them justifies their actions."<br /><br />It is also a natural outcome of a relationship in which one of the partners is incapable of conceiving, yet I presume you would not argue against adoption by sterile heterosexual couples?<br /><br />At any rate, <em>natural</em> is a concept with very poorly defined boundaries, and something being natural does not of itself constitute a moral statement, as I think you will agree if you consider 2 Peter 2:12.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08822986706745964096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-80482584541287312532011-12-21T06:55:49.748-08:002011-12-21T06:55:49.748-08:00Elly,
Yes I would agree with you.
The Urban dic...Elly,<br /><br />Yes I would agree with you. <br /><br />The Urban dictionary definition is a little clumsily worded and I would want to distinguish between homosexual orientation (which I agree is not morally wrong) and homosexual behaviour (which in my view is morally wrong)<br /><br />For a fuller consideration see http://bit.ly/rHDMNw<br /><br />PeterPeter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-58050628023083790932011-12-21T06:42:29.678-08:002011-12-21T06:42:29.678-08:00Interesting post sorry i haven't read the comm...Interesting post sorry i haven't read the comments so forgive me if I repeat anyone. But I have a problem with this statement:<br /><br />'generally does not agree with the principle of homosexuality in moral and ethical terms'<br /><br />I think disagreeing with the principle of homosexuality on moral grounds is homophobic. Whether or not sexual orientation is innate, fixed, fluid or a choice, there is still nothing morally wrong with any orientation in my view. It is possibly morally wrong to suggest otherwise.Ellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01103667133412183125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-57269017954798537412011-12-03T03:02:28.051-08:002011-12-03T03:02:28.051-08:00That’s why Iแทงบอล’m angry. Your reasons? Did some...That’s why I<a href="http://www.starsoccer88.com" rel="nofollow">แทงบอล</a>’m angry. Your reasons? Did someone spoil your day by the word ‘homophobe’? Show me a situation in the UK were the life of <a href="http://www.starsoccer88.com" rel="nofollow">บาคาร่า</a>a christian is threatened by a gay one. Go on.sbobethttp://www.sboasia99.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-34652216910815550922011-06-24T05:08:15.976-07:002011-06-24T05:08:15.976-07:00You are all mad, and you can dress your bigotry in...You are all mad, and you can dress your bigotry in any pretty new words you like, it doesn't change your hateful, despicable views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-55400297531340455292011-06-18T04:05:59.792-07:002011-06-18T04:05:59.792-07:00The attack on Mr Baynham was appalling and his att...The attack on Mr Baynham was appalling and his attackers have quite rightly been punished. But I'm not sure I understand what point you are trying to make here. <br /><br />Are you suggesting that his attackers were Christians or implying that the lives of homosexual people are in some way threatened by Christians in the UK? <br /><br />Can you clarify this for me? <br /><br />I know many Christians but I have yet to meet one who hates homosexuals, has been violent towards them or would condone violence against them.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-66912469016994008202011-06-17T07:36:52.914-07:002011-06-17T07:36:52.914-07:00It would be easy for Mr Saunders or regular reader...It would be easy for Mr Saunders or regular readers to get the impression that gays are a bunch of whining sinnners whom none of you actually ‘fear’.<br /><br />Lest there be confusion about this, let me make one thing clear. Me calling you homophobic here or you self-defining as homosceptic is a comfortable pursuit made from our rather groovy swivel chairs. In contrast the reality lived by a gay person is sometimes a matter of life and death for no other reason than being gay.<br /><br />Recent news report on HOMOPHOBIC attack in London: "There is evidence that the female defendants then began putting the boot into Mr Baynham, who was still prone on his back, clearly unconscious and in distress. Shocked onlookers saw repeated stamping to his chest and forceful kicks to his head. A witness described the attack as like a scene from the film A Clockwork Orange. Police later found Mr Baynham's blood on Thomas's handbag and shoes.”<br /><br />That’s why I’m angry. Your reasons? Did someone spoil your day by the word ‘homophobe’? Show me a situation in the UK were the life of a christian is threatened by a gay one. Go on.<br /><br />Please go ahead and indulge your empty hypothetical rhetoric here whilst the rest of us try and make the world a better place to be gay.Paul McMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01935930337910136624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-27924846787146791872011-06-14T02:31:34.866-07:002011-06-14T02:31:34.866-07:00It has basically been scientifically proven that p...It has basically been scientifically proven that people who are homosexual cannot help that they are so, any more than someone can help that they have diabetes or breast cancer. I hate to equate it to diseases, but my point is that it is polygenic - so not entirely genetic, but also not entirely environmental, and if you are a certain way, you cannot change this.<br /><br />This cannot be denied now. So God made them that way. And the whole history of it making people uneasy is just because they are different, a minority, and yes, they don't produce children. <br /><br />Some women are born infertile and cannot have children. Is it going against "nature" for them to adopt? <br /><br />You cannot deny that any person may have paternal or maternal feelings. Gay people have them, and many of them would make better parents than some parents already out there.<br /><br />Not accepting gay people is akin to racism. Just because they find different things attractive doesn't make them evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-16969942503931990022011-06-12T01:46:35.865-07:002011-06-12T01:46:35.865-07:00What concerns me is the 'persecution' and ...What concerns me is the 'persecution' and I do believe that is the correct word, who do not adhere to the pro-homosexual viewpoint, will be increasingly marginalised, shut-out and shut down. Where will this lead? It will become illegal to preach the gospel. What then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-21308375409814316312011-05-17T18:09:29.836-07:002011-05-17T18:09:29.836-07:00I particularly enjoyed the use of the term "e...I particularly enjoyed the use of the term "evidence base". Ironic. <br />My favourite bible quote has got to be, "love thy neighbour, except of course if (s)he's gay, in that case never ever let them stay in your B&B"Lewisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-19329809147900655322011-05-14T03:33:56.135-07:002011-05-14T03:33:56.135-07:00If the issue is truly only a lack of being married...If the issue is truly only a lack of being married then neither homophobia or homosceptic is appropriate<br /><br />I do not understand the marriage argument made here. Are two atheists after a civil marriage still married in the eyes of the Abrahamic god and therefore sex not morally wrong? How about two Hindus or Buddhists, they have a faith but not in the same god? <br />I hear a lot about attempting to deny gay people rights due to religious belief however I struggle to see how am unmarried gay couple is different to an unmarried heterosexual couple or even a married couple who are not of a different faith as far as morals/sin goes. <br />If homosexuals are then singled out of this group of people not married in the eyes of the Christian god as a different issue then homophobia would be an appropriate word to use as the issue is not longer about sexual sin which all these groups could be considered to be committing but about this specific minority group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-57985200828694606162011-05-01T12:47:26.854-07:002011-05-01T12:47:26.854-07:00Excellent post. I search for a word that meant wha...Excellent post. I search for a word that meant what really I felt about gay people. I found in your blog.<br />Homosexuals are my confused brothers and sisters,but not my enemies and I don´t feel "phobia" to them. But it is not the same about the ideas that some of them (those who have power curiously)want to make us to swallow.Gloriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04729156377653367439noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-74924843766341848202011-04-05T03:24:49.655-07:002011-04-05T03:24:49.655-07:00Whilst I understand your leaning towards more '...Whilst I understand your leaning towards more 'scientific' language you must also be careful to convey, accurately, the biblical viewpoint of sin and, in consequence and in particular, a believer's view of homosexuality AND homosexuals. Psalm 139 v 21, 22. <br /><br />To be called, 'homophobic' is the unbeliever's expression of hatred towards those who confront this sin. I know it's difficult, but maybe we should, 'endure the cross, despising its shame'rather than trying to engage these reprobates in semantic discussion.Anglichanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035718126998879526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-1375972538074331882011-03-11T21:39:27.528-08:002011-03-11T21:39:27.528-08:00It is understandable that 'christian' is a...It is understandable that 'christian' is a label that someone wants to have. However when the term was first used it actually meant something quite different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com