tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post585481285241561688..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: Is the Bible reliable? A brief overview of the most common objections.Peter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-38661215988438504532013-12-16T21:59:57.176-08:002013-12-16T21:59:57.176-08:00There is a specific commandment that any mansteale...There is a specific commandment that any manstealers who takes another to make them a slave is to be put to death. <br /><br />Indentured servitude, which is the estate addressed by the commands for treatment of a slave, allowed someone in poverty to sell themselves to settle a debt. They were, until the year of remission, bondslaves to the person who'd bought them, but were not to be abused because they were fellow Israelites.Duke of Earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891442161634560912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-79347191482465983702012-07-15T21:47:02.132-07:002012-07-15T21:47:02.132-07:00I've read them. Your unnamed contributor '...I've read them. Your unnamed contributor 'Steelclaws', who also goes by the twitter name @dragonblaze, is an Assyriologist who is not a specialist in biblical history, nor the Old or New testament texts. <br /><br />I have looked at these articles and, although containing a lot which is correct, they are essentially a pick and mix compilation from a few largely liberal sources.<br /><br />Also, your website does not allow unmoderated comments and when I post on it my comments do not appear.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-50843760426070097302012-05-19T16:33:48.434-07:002012-05-19T16:33:48.434-07:00I find it interesting that people actually believe...I find it interesting that people actually believe that the Bible condones slavery. Jesus himself said ..."He who the Son sets free, is free indeed".. Jesus, God in the flesh, came to set us free from all forms of slavery - mental, physical, emotional and spiritual etcDr Ikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02365316458357913886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-34910242024335080942012-05-17T03:54:04.507-07:002012-05-17T03:54:04.507-07:00I've got a guest contributor who's a speci...I've got a guest contributor who's a specialist on Biblical history doing some posts on the subject on one of my blogs. Would you care to read and comment?<br /><br />They're quite long, I'm afraid, but so far there are only 3.<br />http://plagueofmice.anarchic-teapot.net/tag/bible/anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-15889146978964097742012-05-13T14:05:35.584-07:002012-05-13T14:05:35.584-07:00And making something biblically right, Peter, does...And making something biblically right, Peter, does not make it morally right. Otherwise you would still be condoning slavery and not letting disabled people into church. The bible is a human construction, reflecting imperfect human views of metaphysics - otherwise that nutter Saul Paulus would not have had to admit that he could only see "as through a glass, darkly".Shanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064454267395375567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-43430807414037225672012-05-13T12:05:48.813-07:002012-05-13T12:05:48.813-07:00Yes all sex outside a lifelong exclusive heterosex...Yes all sex outside a lifelong exclusive heterosexual marriage relationship is morally wrong by a biblical definition.<br /><br />So that includes sex within same sex civil partnerships and also within same sex marriages. <br /><br />Making something legal does not make it morally right.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-12853640358196724292012-05-13T07:42:48.061-07:002012-05-13T07:42:48.061-07:00ok, i have another question for you. so if sex out...ok, i have another question for you. so if sex outside marriage is wrong, then if they legalise same sex marriage, then would you still think people of the same sex who were married were sinning by sleeping together as a married couple?<br /><br />and would you think it was wrong for people in civil partnerships?<br /><br />you're making me question my convictions...lesbihonestyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05526326400655576888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-51286087175306547692012-05-12T23:11:41.064-07:002012-05-12T23:11:41.064-07:00Yes of course there are many sins apart from '...Yes of course there are many sins apart from 'sex outside marriage' but my point in the article above (I chose my words very carefully) was that 'in my experience' the unwillingness to turn from sexual immorality is the most common reason people reject biblical authority in Britain.<br /><br />The Bible is very clear that all sex outside marriage is wrong and, as Jonno has argued above, this includes any sex between two men or two women. In this way the 7th of the ten commandments is a summary of this general principle. There is a much fuller review of this in my previous blog at http://bit.ly/yw3XUU<br /><br />Sexual sin is also given special emphasis in the New Testament in passages such as Romans 1:18-32, 1 Cor 6:18-20 ('he who sins sexually sins against his own body') and 1 Thes 4:3-8 ('he who reject this instruction does not reject man but God').<br /><br />The Bible is also very clear that loving God involves obeying him (see John 14:15,21,23 and 15:14) and that willfully persisting in sin after coming to a knowledge of the truth is very dangerous indeed (see Heb 10:26-31 and Rev 21:8 and 22:15). It also repeatedly warns about false teachers in the church who approve of sexual immorality (see 2 Peter 2, Jude and Rev 2:12-29).<br /><br />Don't allow yourself to be deceived about this. The 'other interpretation' you refer to is, to put it bluntly, heresy.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-6587358736148748912012-05-12T06:37:50.802-07:002012-05-12T06:37:50.802-07:00it certainly isn't difficult to interpret thos...it certainly isn't difficult to interpret those verses differently- there are many articles written that question the translation of the words used that imply homosexuality. this is essentially what i get frustrated about- is that there *is* another interpretation of the verses which gets ignored. <br /><br />i do agree that sex outside of marriage is not God's best for us, or a particularly good way to show Jesus that you are surrendering to him, but my problem is where this has become the be all and end all, as the comment in the article suggested- as though not agreeing on the 'Christian' version of sexual morality undermines a person's ability to accept the bible as truth. <br /><br />out of interest, can you link me to something that shows that commandment no.7 is referring to all sexual activity outside marriage? i have never heard that before.lesbihonestyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05526326400655576888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-47126544700042155392012-05-12T06:05:31.022-07:002012-05-12T06:05:31.022-07:00You missed commandment no. 7, which says "You...You missed commandment no. 7, which says "You shall not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14). Adultery is by definition any sexual activity outside of a marriage relationship. <br /><br />Paul (an apostle by the will of God, not by his own calling) is clear what God still thinks about adultery (which includes homosexual practice) in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:9-11, 1 Corinthinans 6:9-11. <br /><br />It's difficult to interpret those verses to mean God approves of homosexual relationships unless you remove them from the Bible. <br /><br />Sorry to be blunt, I hope this clears things up. <br /><br />The point about morals is that everyone needs Jesus first. We have all rejected God and the first step to becoming a Christian is to Admit that fact. The underlying issue in rejecting Christianity because of its morals is "If I trust Jesus I will cease to be who I am". This is idolatry of self; both a symptom and a cause of our rebellion against him. <br /><br />About Christians sleeping outside marriage, see John 14:23. Sinning does not make someone 'unsaved', but we can question whether those who persistently reject Jesus' teaching on adultery (his teaching was stronger than that in the old testament on this) have truly turned away from their old life to surrender to Jesus. Jesus doesn't want part of us, or our deeds on a Sunday, or our prayers every morning. He wants all of us, because he gave us all of him at the cross.<br /><br />Blessings, <br />JonnoJonathan Paul Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17411416299211965851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-13718641794310949042012-05-12T05:42:41.562-07:002012-05-12T05:42:41.562-07:00good article, but small discomfort about the sly d...good article, but small discomfort about the sly dig "they reject the Bible's moral teaching especially about sexuality". There are SO MANY moral teachings in the bible, to single out sexuality is ridiculous. I missed the 11th commandment saying "thou shalt not be gay or have sex outside of marriage". <br /><br />When I talk to my friends about religion, they don't say to me that they don't want to be a christian because then they can't have sex before marriage, or can't be gay or can't sleep around. If their reasons for rejecting the bible is based on morality, then it is usually the overall demand of adopting Christian morals. <br /><br />What I also find difficult is that you project the view that in order to be a Christian and in order to have a correct reading of the bible, you have to have sex in the way you have interpreted it. You never give attention to the fact that there are 2 different, legitimate positions on what the bible says about homosexuality. It is possible to be a Christian and believe that practising homosexuality is ok, and although it is not your view, i think you should respect that it is a viewpoint. <br /><br />I know I am saved, and I don't understand Christians like you who try and undermine the faith of others by suggesting that there is something in our lives that unsaves us. my friend is a christian, she sleeps with her boyfriend outside of marriage, as many christians do nowadays but that would never lead me to conclude that she is any less of a christian, or any less saved.lesbihonestyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05526326400655576888noreply@blogger.com