tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post8944834595367488084..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: Same sex marriage and the politics of elitismPeter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-5036651077088756732012-06-05T16:28:18.554-07:002012-06-05T16:28:18.554-07:00Hmmm. My responses keep disappearing after severa...Hmmm. My responses keep disappearing after several hours. I wonder why that could be? Are you deleting them in the hopes that people will assume I used bad words? All I did was (correctly) point out your status as the single greatest reason for anyone who is reading this to completely disregard the Christian faith, an otherwise perfectly respectable religion.<br /><br />Or maybe, just maybe, your carefully constructed wall of denial and self importance is starting to crumble. You cannot stand to acknowledge the fact that you are a joke to some and an embarrassment to 1.5 billion others. You could just ignore what I wrote, like you have ignored literally everything else I and others have written that does not consist of praise for you as the second coming of Jesus, but if you do not have the last word then you just can't live with yourself.<br /><br />Or maybe this is all just a computer glitch or something. That must be it, since you have such impeccable integrity.ZeroKaiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07341287843327198904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-51951624870197144592012-06-04T08:06:53.938-07:002012-06-04T08:06:53.938-07:00Thanks. These three are part of the crowd of athei...<i>Thanks. These three are part of the crowd of atheists and gay rights activists who follow me on blogger and/or twitter. They all use nom de plumes to hide their identity and this stuff is typical of what they write. </i><br />I am more than happy to reveal my real name but I am not sure what purpose it would serve. Additionally I am not a gay rights activist although I am an atheist.<br /><br /><i>They don't generally use logic but prefer ad hominem attacks.... Very few of my opponents are interested in rational debate.</i><br /><br />Using logic to argue with people who have a sky buddy on their side is often pointless. The very fact that you believe in a god opens you up to ridicule, the fact you cannot understand why is not our problem.<br /><br />Rational debate should start with asking why you are anti gay rights and end with you admitting that we should all have the same equal rights - that has been tried but you subvert the issue into some nonsense about your god being offended by the very people he is supposed to have created.<br /><br />K Rodgers - http://www.facebook.com/rodgers.karlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-26791242068166774472012-06-03T09:32:02.184-07:002012-06-03T09:32:02.184-07:00Peter,
You perhaps should have realized by now t...Peter, <br /><br />You perhaps should have realized by now that the one thing which the 'gay-rights' mob detest above anything is informed and civilized comment which negates their every argument.<br /><br />I have long argued that the last thing to be observed around the so-called 'gay rights community' is gaiety or happiness. I know many homosexual couples who just wish to get on with their lives, don't wish to rock the boat in any way whatsoever, and therefore behave in the same, quiet discreet manner as everyone else around. They have achieved, through one of the very, very few pieces of sensible Labour legislation passed in thirteen years, acceptance of their stature in the Civil Partnership Law, and that is perhaps what was necessary to amend injustice and a lack of accessibility to benefits, pensions, etc., but that milestone was just the clarion-call for the vociferously awful minority who do really give the homosexual community such a bad name.<br /><br />The statement by Cameron that he is an advocate of ‘gay marriage’ should be heard in the context of the fact that he is, first and foremost, a politician. <a href="http://mikecunningham.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/eve-not-steve/" rel="nofollow">Can you remember the last time a politician spoke</a> when those words would be regarded as gospel. I would place two names in contention for that honour; the first being that of Enoch Powell, the last true gentleman politician, and the second of course being Margaret Thatcher. Cameron’s message is that he is ‘hip’, up-to-speed’ and at one with all things ‘progressive’ I reckon he is just as described by a Tory MP; namely one of a pair of ‘Posh Boys’ who don’t even know the price of a pint of milk.<br /><br />As for the ‘bent brigade’, they might see the beginning of legislation which would attempt to change the very idea of Marriage as being the sole preserve of a man and a woman, but I would argue that there are too many barriers which should and will be erected by all the Churches and Faiths against such legislation, because they know that once the Civil Marriage Act is passed, the pressure will be on those in Religion to change and accept such change. Because Marriage has always been for the preservation of the Family, and the only natural way of procreation is sexual congress between a man and a woman, that is why the ‘Gay Mob’ want to change things forever, because that is just what they cannot do!Grandpa1940https://www.blogger.com/profile/04379051846652593122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-88227523386121198742012-06-02T23:19:32.820-07:002012-06-02T23:19:32.820-07:001. Yes I agree.
2. Again I agree. That is why I ...1. Yes I agree. <br /><br />2. Again I agree. That is why I ask people to define the term. The term 'homophobe' has become so cheapened that it now applies to anyone who disagrees with the gay rights ideology for whatever reason.<br /><br />3. Christians should expect to be hated if they express Christian beliefs or values. Jesus himself said we would be. But there are some who listen in to these sorts of conversations and change their minds and for them it is eternally worth it.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-35459751299401678732012-06-02T23:14:04.906-07:002012-06-02T23:14:04.906-07:00Thanks. These three are part of the crowd of athei...Thanks. These three are part of the crowd of atheists and gay rights activists who follow me on blogger and/or twitter. They all use nom de plumes to hide their identity and this stuff is typical of what they write. <br /><br />They are very much at the polite end of the spectrum. <br /><br />They don't generally use logic but prefer ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />You will see from other pages that often I choose not to respond but I have chosen to do so on this occasion.<br /><br />As a general rule I usually accept responses from those who are registered with google even if they remain anonymous but I have had to close the blog to anonymous posters as I otherwise I get too much frankly obscene material posted. <br /><br />Very few of my opponents are interested in rational debate.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-32786804715639960292012-06-02T15:19:38.042-07:002012-06-02T15:19:38.042-07:00Whilst I respect the fact that you take time to en...Whilst I respect the fact that you take time to engage with people who respond on your site, I really think it's best not to feed trolls. When a man considers faith as a disease, he has shown such a primitive lack of logical thought that you'd have as much success persuading an asylum inmate that he isn't really Napoleon Bonaparte.Lakester91https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450655268874252539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-12576349002522070122012-06-02T15:10:57.928-07:002012-06-02T15:10:57.928-07:001. The fact that so many people responded to the a...1. The fact that so many people responded to the article outlining their subversive tactics by using tactics 4 and 6 is hilariously apt.<br /><br />2. The use of the term homophobe (because who isn't afraid of things that are the same?) has become counter-productive. It has cheapened the term. The originators of this obviously thought they were being clever by associating anyone with whom they disagreed with irrational thugs who beat people because they are different. However they were too caught up in their gay argument panacea to realise how much it's been cheapened. One time a 'homophobic attack' raised images of skinheads attacking a young gay man in the street minding his own business. Nowadays it conjures up nought more than a man who disagrees with a homosexual in public. Homosexuals thought they won the war to manipulate the English language, but now homophobia means nothing. It is the word that cried wolf.<br /><br />I don't need to assert that my opponent is irrational using a unintelligent cliché portmanteau of x and phobia; I prove it using logic. Christians are hated far more in this country than homosexuals, yet I rarely hear the word 'Christianophobic'. That's because we have proper arguments to back our case.Lakester91https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450655268874252539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-33908373771950445992012-06-02T12:52:56.160-07:002012-06-02T12:52:56.160-07:00I am not a fool - this is clearly defined in Psalm...I am not a fool - this is clearly defined in Psalm 14 and Psalm 53 and does not apply to me.<br /><br />Nor a troll - a troll is a person who uses a nom de plume rather than their real name and makes offensive comments on other people's websites. A touch of irony there!<br /><br />Finally can you define 'homophobic tit' for me and others? Then we can discuss whether or not the label applies to me.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-23807790225139730532012-06-02T12:49:27.574-07:002012-06-02T12:49:27.574-07:00If you are going to accuse me of being 'homoph...If you are going to accuse me of being 'homophobic' could you please define the term for me (and others)?<br /><br />I certainly neither dislike nor fear gay people. In fact I have many close friends who are gay and I spend a lot of time talking with others.<br /><br />To many people 'homophobic' seems simply to mean having a different opinion on any issue from the gay rights lobby. <br /><br />But how do you define it? Pray tell.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-17261394482496059602012-06-02T12:45:15.295-07:002012-06-02T12:45:15.295-07:00Are you calling Life Site News, one of the world&#...Are you calling Life Site News, one of the world's most popular prolife portals, a 'nasty little fundamentalist website'? Why? Is it because it takes a contrary view to your own?<br /><br />Please tell me what Jesus say about 'gays'.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-80053879330350280092012-06-02T11:57:00.701-07:002012-06-02T11:57:00.701-07:00"I am not ‘homophobic’ but ‘homosceptic’"...<i>"I am not ‘homophobic’ but ‘homosceptic’"</i> is the way all homophobes describe themselves. <br /><br />Clearly you are homophobic Peter, and the greatest homophobes are always those that are deepest in the closet.<br /><br />I find it somewhat disturbing that I haven't visited this page for a couple of months (until my return to it yesterday) and you are still banging on about not letting gay people get married.<br /><br />Homophobia probably is an illness, but so is believing in supernatural beings which defy the physical laws of our universe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-74766600454043377782012-06-02T11:12:02.342-07:002012-06-02T11:12:02.342-07:00Robust, honest debate might possibly occur is ever...Robust, honest debate might possibly occur is everybody were being honest. However, that nasty little fundamentalist website you linked to has banned me, although all I did was politely point out flaws in arguments.<br /><br />Peter dear, you ARE a bigot. You're not stupid, so you could yet be saved. Lay down your overweening pride, open your mind and heart, let what Jesus said about gays be your guideline when condemning them as sinful. Right now you're more like the Pharisee and the Sadducee than the Samaritan.Jay Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03383402576686943242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-8967013854431769122012-06-02T11:03:28.074-07:002012-06-02T11:03:28.074-07:00"Within just over an hour I received the list..."Within just over an hour I received the list of tweets below which rather beautifully illustrated the point. "<br /><br />My dear fellow, they illustrate the fact that you've made yourself a reputation as a homophobic tit who lies and twists his and others' words. You are a grave embarrassment to the cause of Christianity, which you claim to defend.<br /><br />So which are you: a fool or a troll?anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.com