tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post1933872249579045826..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: Max Pemberton’s Telegraph article on ‘Gay cures’ is replete with unsupported assertions and misleading statementsPeter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-66849224678407784762014-01-20T22:49:31.205-08:002014-01-20T22:49:31.205-08:00This the excellent post which I have seen and it h...This the excellent post which I have seen and it helped me a lot , Thanks for sharing it!!<br /><a href="http://www.londongaysex.com/" rel="nofollow">Meet Gays in London</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02562597978930803570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-6174431694520704432013-07-30T23:00:19.604-07:002013-07-30T23:00:19.604-07:00http://wholesale49ersfootballjerseys.wordpress.com...http://wholesale49ersfootballjerseys.wordpress.com/<br /><a href="http://wholesale49ersfootballjerseys.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap san francisco 49ers jerseys</a><br /><br />http://cheapindianapoliscoltsjerseys.wordpress.com/<br /><a href="http://cheapindianapoliscoltsjerseys.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap indianapolis colts jerseys</a><br /><br />http://minnesotavikingsjerseys23.wordpress.com/<br /><a href="http://minnesotavikingsjerseys23.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap minnesota vikings jerseys</a><br /><br />http://wholesaleravensnfljerseys.wordpress.com<br /><a href="http://wholesaleravensnfljerseys.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">wholesale ravens nfl jerseys</a><br /><br />http://nfl2013probowl.blogspot.com/<br /><a href="http://nfl2013probowl.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">wholesale nfl 2013 pro bowl</a><br /><br />http://indianapoliscoltsjerseys.snappages.com/<br /><a href="http://indianapoliscoltsjerseys.snappages.com/" rel="nofollow">indianapolis colts jerseys</a><br /><br />http://hba061901.tabletopgeeks.com/<br /><a href="http://hba061901.tabletopgeeks.com/" rel="nofollow">cheap san francisco 49ers jerseys</a>hba061901https://www.blogger.com/profile/08970161211150451679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-56520880387154301832013-07-23T18:38:01.721-07:002013-07-23T18:38:01.721-07:00http://wholesaleravensnfljerseys.snappages.com/
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I ho...Please see my response to anarchic teapot. <br /><br />I hope that you agree that the "cure" of offering counselling to rape victims is a good thing rather than saying my wife isn't sick.<br /><br />In addition having been on the receiving end of exhomophobia perhaps that should be tackled too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-85272179912823677862013-02-15T08:04:22.979-08:002013-02-15T08:04:22.979-08:00"but it's part of what they are. They do..."but it's part of what they are. They do not choose this". My wife was raped by a boyfriend as a consequence she hated men and entered into lesbian relationships.<br /><br />After extensive counselling she is a changed woman, doesn't hate men and is, obviously, married to me and no longer has any lesbian attractions.<br /><br />I assure you that the simplistic argument of "she was born this way" is both cruel and demeaning as is the one to say "she chose this". The truth is much more grey and to deny people counselling/help with sexual issues for fear that they might change sexuality would be a blow indeed for actually helping people rather than winning arguments. <br /><br />I hope that my sharing of a very painful issue has opened your eyes.<br /><br />Forgive me but I have replied as anonymous as I want to live life and love my wife rather than deal with protracted arguments with people who find our story a thorn in their side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-24039542577768467472013-02-11T03:44:52.465-08:002013-02-11T03:44:52.465-08:00Maybe it's time for people who want to 'cu...Maybe it's time for people who want to 'cure' others to take a look at their own disease, I wonder if it is possible to cure people of trying to cure others when they aren't actually sick.<br /><br />The problem seems to be that ingrained homophobia has never been properly tackled, if we could find a cure for that then I am fairly certain that people would stop trying to cure those who don't conform to a biblical standard.BiggerDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17245135111656049479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-27424028176784596702013-02-05T20:16:02.811-08:002013-02-05T20:16:02.811-08:00I'm saying that journalists who write for nati...I'm saying that journalists who write for national newspapers should report scientific facts correctly.NgeRayu Comhttp://ngerayu.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-84023201486355702642012-12-30T08:14:58.848-08:002012-12-30T08:14:58.848-08:00Good and brave article. In a society that accepts ...Good and brave article. In a society that accepts sex change, it is remarkable that there is so much opposition to sexuality change. Then again there is little rationality in self proclaimed modern day progressives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-69135389636693610712012-06-15T15:41:54.083-07:002012-06-15T15:41:54.083-07:00Dr. Spitzer has retracted the study you cite. The ...Dr. Spitzer has retracted the study you cite. The American Psychiatric Association on its web site has a fifty page booklet supporting its view that orientation change efforts are ineffective and dangerous. The only fluidity in orientation is that many are bisexual, but that doesn't mean you change from gay to straight.Jean-Pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00350407990478804940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-22447886471988353772012-06-15T15:37:21.954-07:002012-06-15T15:37:21.954-07:00Dr. Spitzer has retracted the study you cite. The ...Dr. Spitzer has retracted the study you cite. The American Psychiatric Association on its web site has a fifty page booklet supporting its view that orientation change efforts are ineffective and dangerous. The only fluidity in orientation is that many are bisexual, but that doesn't mean you change from gay to straight.Jean-Pierrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00350407990478804940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-15576056444165422002012-05-02T07:24:15.754-07:002012-05-02T07:24:15.754-07:00It is far better to remain a homosexual and call o...It is far better to remain a homosexual and call oneself "post-gay". That way, people can think you've been cured and you won't receive opprobrium from evangelicals at Anglican Mainstream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-42693448048674639992012-05-02T07:20:34.983-07:002012-05-02T07:20:34.983-07:00Peter, what's sauce for the goosse is sauce fo...Peter, what's sauce for the goosse is sauce for the gander.<br />"journalists who write for national newspapers should report scientific facts correctly".<br /><br />You reference the Spitzer paper when you must be fully aware it has been withdrawn, with Dr Spitzer recognising it was fundamentally flawed and apologising profusely to those who followed pointless and potentially damaging anti-gay therapy on the basis of its conclusions.anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-18817653800201518732012-05-02T05:39:27.683-07:002012-05-02T05:39:27.683-07:00And the question has been answered http://www.trut...And the question has been answered http://www.truthwinsout.org/news/2012/04/24542/<br /><br />As for the "misleading" talk of a gay cure, you are playing with words. It is merely a popular term for an attempt to "help some people might achieve a change in the strength and direction of their erotic feelings" and you know it.anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-64760369128268700572012-05-02T02:57:57.032-07:002012-05-02T02:57:57.032-07:00To talk of a 'gay cure' is misleading. It ...To talk of a 'gay cure' is misleading. It is Pemberton's term not mine. <br /><br />We are discussing whether it is possible that with professional help some people might achieve a change in the strength and direction of their erotic feelings?<br /><br />Sexual orientation is after all just a predominant direction of desire and in a significant number of people is changeable and fluid anyway so it does seem reasonable to ask that question.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-16696199942744231232012-05-02T02:46:07.657-07:002012-05-02T02:46:07.657-07:00"Now if sexual orientation, in some at least,..."Now if sexual orientation, in some at least, is changeable even without therapy, might it not be reasonable to assume that it could also be changed with therapy?"<br />No, this does not follow. Sexual orientation may well be fluid - within limits - for some people, but it's part of what they are. They do not choose this.<br /><br />Moreover, there is no evidence whatsoever that the so-called gay cure therapies have any effect other than forcing people back into the closet, rendering them unhappy, and perpetuating homophobia as evidenced in this article.<br /><br />And in fact: if gay people aren't ill - as the APA has recognised for decades - how can you consider it reasonable to "cure" them with "therapy"?anarchic teapothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202342480527269614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-5719658683353869402012-05-02T02:42:07.076-07:002012-05-02T02:42:07.076-07:00I'm saying that journalists who write for nati...I'm saying that journalists who write for national newspapers should report scientific facts correctly.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-72037673399553538402012-05-02T02:33:35.352-07:002012-05-02T02:33:35.352-07:00Are you advocating that we need further Randomised...Are you advocating that we need further Randomised Controlled Trials into changing sexual orientation?<br /><br />I just hope that you do not sit on any research ethical approval boards.A New Kind of GPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17305232243592201684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-32996170962467071222012-05-02T01:46:18.538-07:002012-05-02T01:46:18.538-07:00'orientation' the direction one turns in'orientation' the direction one turns inweary soulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18241756524704142283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-38784165991684379582012-05-02T01:05:37.831-07:002012-05-02T01:05:37.831-07:00This article does not surprise me, as Max revealed...This article does not surprise me, as Max revealed in an article on what you would tell your teenage self, that he is gay.pippinsmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480746966452608561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-29807170546399384692012-05-01T23:54:05.270-07:002012-05-01T23:54:05.270-07:00That's a very good question and should alert p...That's a very good question and should alert people that this issue is not as cut and dried as Pemberton would have us believe.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-27117598527632759992012-05-01T23:51:15.681-07:002012-05-01T23:51:15.681-07:00So why is that three British authorities say one t...So why is that three British authorities say one thing, whilst the two US ones you quote say the other?Peter Parslowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00058787420887776814noreply@blogger.com