tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post2999858459818604174..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: The slaughter of the Canaanites – was it justified?Peter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger187125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-38180189193032642282014-03-21T08:23:08.850-07:002014-03-21T08:23:08.850-07:00Why not indeed. Presumably because as I said befor...Why not indeed. Presumably because as I said before genuine worship is important to God. If they have no choice as would be the case in you theoretical utopia you would have to worship God. But as I have said many times on this post such worship of Robot like humans would be worthless. Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-78107104468768102722014-03-21T08:19:47.726-07:002014-03-21T08:19:47.726-07:00They happened in states that stated that were and ...They happened in states that stated that were and are regarded as such by historians <br /><br />We have been over this in the posts above or below I cannot remember which. <br /><br />Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-24821241296417608702014-03-20T23:13:38.161-07:002014-03-20T23:13:38.161-07:00That didn't answer my question. Why bother wit...That didn't answer my question. Why bother with Earth? Why not simply create a utopia that could not be corrupted?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-61945822091613787812014-03-20T23:13:05.254-07:002014-03-20T23:13:05.254-07:00I worship no one, not even myself. How dare you pr...I worship no one, not even myself. How dare you presume to know what I'm thinking.<br /><br />If Torquemada had nuclear weapons, he would have made Hitler look like a petty school bully by comparison. Also, none of the genocides that happened in the last century happened <b>in the name of atheism.</b>Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-45269795363451398102014-03-20T13:46:32.121-07:002014-03-20T13:46:32.121-07:00Winston
"They certainly weren't infants ...Winston<br /><br />"They certainly weren't infants or children as some of the Canaanites (and Amalekies, etc.) were"<br /><br />As I said earlier, you atheists are wining that game. You have killed far far more children in the last 100 years than have been killed in the all of the wars since the beginning of time. <br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-67614853857132378972014-03-20T13:29:23.126-07:002014-03-20T13:29:23.126-07:00Winston
It seems that democracies don't even ...Winston<br /><br />It seems that democracies don't even like democracy at the moment (Crimea)<br /><br />"I don't think I could ever enjoy eternity in the presence of an insecure despot" <br />(God) you say<br /><br />I agree, the way your heart is now you would never willingly chose God. <br /><br />Because to be able to chose God. <br /><br />God first needs to stop you from worshiping yourself. <br /><br />Phil<br /><br /><br />Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-53957219311739349042014-03-20T13:01:52.982-07:002014-03-20T13:01:52.982-07:00The second coming is restorative. Not life in the ...The second coming is restorative. Not life in the clouds Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-20683633773576800922014-03-17T00:53:29.247-07:002014-03-17T00:53:29.247-07:00Overall, yes. I honestly don't think the monar...Overall, yes. I honestly don't think the monarchy would have willingly abdicated the majority of their power and surrendered it over to the masses without the Revolution. They certainly weren't infants or children as some of the Canaanites (and Amalekies, etc.) were.<br /><br />I'm not surprised you dislike democracy. It certainly isn't biblical. God's ideal society was an autocratic theocracy.<br /><br />I don't think I could ever enjoy eternity in the presence of an insecure despot. No Stockholm Syndrome for me, no sir.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeWinstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-35652281155254873972014-03-16T20:45:45.678-07:002014-03-16T20:45:45.678-07:00"I'd say that ending up with a democracy ..."I'd say that ending up with a democracy is immeasurably preferable to a monarchy." <br /><br />And so 40000 plus people dying was worthwhile to get Napoleon? I thought that you objected to slaughter of the innocents hence the objection to the article. Or is it that slaughter of innocents is only acceptable when you agree with the outcome?<br /><br />BTW No I am not a great fan of democracy. <br /><br />"Thanks for conceding (in a roundabout way) that god is responsible for sending people to hell." <br /><br />My point was that you do not desire heaven anyway unless God intervenes in your life. <br /><br />So you are objecting to God stopping you from going where you say you don't want to go?<br /><br /> Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-65391959144088989772014-03-16T20:32:44.313-07:002014-03-16T20:32:44.313-07:00If we're saved, why even bother with life on E...If we're saved, why even bother with life on Earth? Why won't got simply rapture up everyone right now?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-73547862767503542542014-03-16T20:30:33.568-07:002014-03-16T20:30:33.568-07:00The price for sin is paid. We are not condemned fo...The price for sin is paid. We are not condemned for sin. <br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-88779408580999877762014-03-16T13:00:27.710-07:002014-03-16T13:00:27.710-07:00So will there be sin and a second fall in heaven? ...So will there be sin and a second fall in heaven? That's what you seem to be implying here.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-42881745615158785862014-03-16T12:57:48.157-07:002014-03-16T12:57:48.157-07:00I'd say that ending up with a democracy is imm...I'd say that ending up with a democracy is immeasurably preferable to a monarchy.<br /><br />Thanks for conceding (in a roundabout way) that god is responsible for sending people to hell. Did you also know that he hardened Pharaoh's heart?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-58831461783651153982014-03-16T10:21:37.778-07:002014-03-16T10:21:37.778-07:00"the French Revolution was the inevitable RES..."the French Revolution was the inevitable RESULT of a society that grew unequal and callous due to Christianity." <br /><br />If you say so. The French Revolution was a somehow better outcome for people?<br /><br />"If no one enters heaven because god won't change our hearts, then god is responsible for everyone who ends up burning in hell."<br /><br />God does not change everyone's hearts. You are correct. The phrase they use in the Bible is opening their eyes. (To chose God)<br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-37957220967006808292014-03-16T09:34:47.554-07:002014-03-16T09:34:47.554-07:00Winston
I am really banging my head against the ...Winston <br /><br />I am really banging my head against the wall here. Because if you are not free to sin you are not free.<br /><br />What you suggest is a pointless exercise. If we are not free to not love God we are not free to love God. The only way that you can be free to love God is to have the freedom to chose not to. <br /><br />God presumably could have built us as Robots to do exactly what he said and never sin. But that would be pointless, because a Robot could never love God. <br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-12204505605247712602014-03-16T03:05:55.044-07:002014-03-16T03:05:55.044-07:00You misunderstood what I said, Phil. I said that t...You misunderstood what I said, Phil. I said that the French Revolution was the inevitable RESULT of a society that grew unequal and callous due to Christianity.<br /><br />If no one enters heaven because god won't change our hearts, then god is responsible for everyone who ends up burning in hell.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-79595875994674919362014-03-16T03:04:02.369-07:002014-03-16T03:04:02.369-07:00So why didn't he simply create free beings tha...So why didn't he simply create free beings that would never sin in heaven to begin with?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-33899281016776618122014-03-16T02:03:42.151-07:002014-03-16T02:03:42.151-07:00Winston
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Now please answer this simple ques...Winston<br /><br />"<br />Now please answer this simple question: Will there be free will in heaven?"<br /><br />Yes of course, God did not build Robots. Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-41590324337157959872014-03-16T01:59:22.365-07:002014-03-16T01:59:22.365-07:00Winston
"The French revolution was one examp...Winston<br /><br />"The French revolution was one example of Christian entitlement taken to its logical conclusion"<br /><br />Winston I do not think that there are large numbers of Historians that would agree with your assertion that the French Revolution was a Christian uprising!<br /><br />Read about the percentage of Church leaders that were executed (90%+) and the committee of public safety. Most Historians describe the French Revolution' leaders as being mostly Atheists. Indeed saying that you were a Christian could send you to the Guillotine. <br /><br />Hell is the absence of God. God doesn't make it hell the people do. We see a glimpse of what it must be like in states that have tried to severely restrict or stamp out Christianity in the last century. We got a glimpse of what it must be like (e.g. Take Cambodia under Poll Pott)<br /><br />Agreed though. Unless God changes your heart, I don't think that anyone would chose Heaven. <br /><br />Phil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-33737454197807305342014-03-15T16:36:53.566-07:002014-03-15T16:36:53.566-07:00More red herrings. You didn't even answer my q...More red herrings. You didn't even answer my question (unless you're trying to say that god simply cannot create a heavenly realm and be done with it).<br /><br />Now please answer this simple question: Will there be free will in heaven?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-18838864578265801382014-03-15T16:35:57.666-07:002014-03-15T16:35:57.666-07:00If Christianity was only for the rich, it would ha...If Christianity was only for the rich, it would have died out centuries ago. The French revolution was one example of Christian entitlement (everyone has what they deserve) taken to its logical conclusion.<br /><br />"Religion is regarded by the wise as false, the common folk as true, and the powerful as useful."<br /><br />Lucius Annaeus Seneca<br /><br />If hell isn't eternal torture, then I couldn't really complain. If heaven isn't eternal bliss, but simply being in god's presence, then count me out.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-30911964720887434242014-03-15T15:19:30.126-07:002014-03-15T15:19:30.126-07:00"Christianity is growing among the poor becau..."Christianity is growing among the poor because religions are leeches that cannot survive and prosper without human misery. And Christianity is profoundly attractive and popular among the wealthy. Have you not heard about the prosperity gospel."<br /><br />Which way are you going with this one? Presumably if it requires poverty and human misery then it would not work or the rich. It seems to me that you cannot have it both ways. <br /><br />"If hell is a place of eternal torture, then why can't your god simply snuff non-Christians out of existence?"<br /><br />I am not an expert on Hell (and hope not to be!) presumably there must be some reason for it. My best shot is that hell appeals to non Christians. They don't desire God so they won't desire Heaven. <br /><br />BTW the Christian Heaven is not all cream cakes and 100s of virgins you know. The point is that heaven is eternity in the presence of God. Is that what you really desire Winston? If not then heaven is not for you and God is not unfair.<br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-51651737019652935932014-03-15T15:08:01.243-07:002014-03-15T15:08:01.243-07:00Why not start and end creation with heaven?
That...Why not start and end creation with heaven? <br /><br />That is the crux of your argument. Because if man has free will, many will not chose God. For God to create man who will always applaud him and never sin is like being a performer and paying your audience to applaud you however bad you are. <br /><br />If man is to have free will then people like Hitler must be an option otherwise there really is no free will. So you say God should have stopped Hitler. OK where do you stop if you really think that you can tell God to stop bad things happening? Eventually you will be blaming God for people parking in front of your drive!<br /><br />I don't really know enough about Luther to comment however, I think it is likely that the Theory that Hitler was inspired by Luther would be more widely known if there is indeed any logic to it. <br /><br />PhilPhil Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151392742310244391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-14000327064008269252014-03-14T16:53:02.056-07:002014-03-14T16:53:02.056-07:00If the price is eternal torture, why did Jesus get...If the price is eternal torture, why did Jesus get his sentence commuted to 36 hours?<br /><br />Epic fail.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-29891940432241275412014-03-14T16:52:22.991-07:002014-03-14T16:52:22.991-07:00There is only one interpretation of Luther's r...There is only one interpretation of Luther's racist and compassionless edicts. Those edicts sent Jews to ghettos long before the Third Reich. Luther was following the bible to the letter (Let the blood of Jesus be on us, and our children).<br /><br />If god predestined Hitler, then he DID will it. Allowing something to happen and approving it are one and the same when you're an omnipotent deity. It really is that simple.<br /><br />If Judas did not betray Jesus, there would be no salvation, under Christianity. Judas, therefore, is to be lauded for helping Jesus commit suicide by cop.<br /><br />As to your free will argument:<br /><br />If there is free will in heaven, then life on Earth is pointless. Why not start and end creation with heaven?<br /><br />If there is no free will in heaven, then free will is pointless. Why not start and end creation with heaven?Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14029187310122412297noreply@blogger.com