tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post4599266242802350155..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: How many women really died from abortions prior to the Abortion Act?Peter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-82484285122640107732013-10-12T16:32:05.305-07:002013-10-12T16:32:05.305-07:00If the thing that most makes humans what they are ...If the thing that most makes humans what they are is sentience, then it is not the only thing. But your assertion is not even true. What makes humans most human is their genetic traits passed down through reproduction. Our DNA, while 98% identical to chimpanzees is distinct and wholly homosapien, making us human, not chimp. Without sentience we would still be human. Your claim the a fetus or embryo is not sentient is provably false and a completely unscientific assertion. Read this article http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=201429 and educate yourself so you don't sound so ignorant. You have the right to disagree with these people and their religious beliefs. You can believe a woman should be able to have an abortion. But trying to come across as intelligent; well, leave that to others, M'kay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-5724974744304854982013-08-25T11:55:25.000-07:002013-08-25T11:55:25.000-07:00newsengland
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Earlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891442161634560912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-11781007213837503622013-02-13T19:02:49.063-08:002013-02-13T19:02:49.063-08:00Dear redvelv,
Clearly you did not see the link at...Dear redvelv, <br />Clearly you did not see the link at the end of Dr. Saunders' blog: 'abortion is the leading cause of death worldwide' by some margin. In 1967, when abortion was legalized in the UK, I was a second year student nurse. T I heard no public protests. Neither I, nor my peers, ever discussed the morality of abortion. It was just there and, like obedient little automatons, we cooperated. I did my clinicals in a 1000 bed hospital, the largest in London. We circulated through ob/gyn wards, the ER and the OR. Every weekend from morning to night, we witnessed surgical abortions; in the ER, or on the wards, we cared for women coming in from street abortions. Only one patient, with a low-grade fever, ever exhibited complications from a street abortion. She recovered and went home. After care was very available. There were public health clinics with licensed nurse-midwives and anyone could drop in to their doctor's office. MD home visits were also still commonplace. After care is a serious issue, in countries where medical follow up is scant and costly and where women have been given abortifacients, often under coercion by family members. <br />"Safe, legal and rare" abortion in the U.S. is a delusion. Many deaths of women, during or following an abortion procedure, have been documented. 378 are listed on the site www.proabortionviolence.com. There are reports, that the CDC has been less than forthcoming, in acknowledging and reporting abortion deaths. In China, women and their families, are brutalized if they are discovered to be pregnant without permission. A 13 month old was just run over because he did not have government permission to be born. <br />200 million baby girls (along with the children and granchildren they would have had), are missing from the world because of gendercide abortion. Therefore, any rights that women have gained, will soon disappear when, as in China, there will be a surplus of men. <br />Women who still support their dubious personal rights, while denying the rights of sisters in other countries, can only be described as sociopathic. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13301850665889472699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-78975293652336748942013-02-11T15:52:20.197-08:002013-02-11T15:52:20.197-08:00But a fetus in the womb isn't legally consider...But a fetus in the womb isn't legally considered a baby; not sure the point you're trying to make.Liz Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-74576468298716536042013-02-11T14:25:29.037-08:002013-02-11T14:25:29.037-08:00Are you suggesting it is better to end a baby'...Are you suggesting it is better to end a baby's life than to offer it a chance through support or adoption?<br /><br />You haven't even read the article above have you. It doesn't contain the word 'murder' anywhere. Read it.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-47726634833359926872013-02-11T11:29:23.572-08:002013-02-11T11:29:23.572-08:00So abstinence is the way to stop unwanted pregnanc...So abstinence is the way to stop unwanted pregnancies, which are likely to end up in abortion.<br /><br />Marvelous. So are you going to tell this to my husband, or shall I ? 'Cause it's not just teenagers who have sex! Liz Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-74568178310099690362013-02-11T11:26:27.733-08:002013-02-11T11:26:27.733-08:00> Oh nonsense. A totally groundless claim
Real...> Oh nonsense. A totally groundless claim <br />Really ? The anti-abortionists are quite happy for babies to be born to families where there isn't enough money to support them, or the family is in some way dysfunctional (drugs/alcohol/violence) so no, it's not a groundless claim ! <br /><br />> So you are using the alleged actions of a God you don't believe <br />> in to justify humans taking the lives of other humans. <br />No I'm not. I'm pointing out that if you're going to use emotive language like 'murder' then you need to start looking within your own religion before casting aspersions on others. Liz Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-26788720352729692252013-02-11T06:34:46.482-08:002013-02-11T06:34:46.482-08:00'What is it that's said - the pro-lifer...'What is it that's said - the pro-lifer's interest in life stops as soon as the baby is born.'<br />>>> Oh nonsense. A totally groundless claim <br /><br />Anyway - given the number of miscarriages which happen and the number of babies who die during pregnancy, surely god is the biggest abortionist of them all !<br />>> So you are using the alleged actions of a God you don't believe in to justify humans taking the lives of other humans. Certainly novel!Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-15502532771516824282013-02-11T04:29:06.055-08:002013-02-11T04:29:06.055-08:00And you need something inserting or deleting here!...And you need something inserting or deleting here!: <br />"The line didn’t even blip. The previous rate of decline actually slowed, to flatten out in the late 70s and 80s. According to the US statistics legalisation of ...... hardly saved any women’s lives at all."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18224327859959646488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-52208374111794405412013-02-10T15:34:26.981-08:002013-02-10T15:34:26.981-08:00What is it that's said - the pro-lifer's i...What is it that's said - the pro-lifer's interest in life stops as soon as the baby is born. <br /><br />Anyway - given the number of miscarriages which happen and the number of babies who die during pregnancy, surely god is the biggest abortionist of them all ! Liz Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-5562736832653284412013-02-10T14:49:05.936-08:002013-02-10T14:49:05.936-08:00The Abortion Holocaust is without question a crime...The Abortion Holocaust is without question a crime against humanity. The leaders involved and zealous functionaries who have made a moral choice to engage in the wholesale slaughter of "unwanted babies" should stand trial like those monsters who were put in the dock at Nuremberg 1945/46.<br /><br />Nuremberg established permissive domestic laws are no defence against charges of crimes against humanity. One only has to set aside the propaganda of the twisted ideologues and take a look at a few of the babies after undergoing this "medical procedure" to know full well that something absolutely dreadful has taken place. <br /><br />The darkest age in human history is with us, and hardly anybody bats an eyelid. It is time that the facts are made known and those who have done great wrongs are tried according to the standards of our grandfathers and great grandfathers - not shielded by laws which keep the slaughter going because stopping it would be an admission of wrong doing.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-5714541859128523152012-11-29T07:18:59.490-08:002012-11-29T07:18:59.490-08:00Its amazing post, but I think when a post is reall...Its amazing post, but I think when a post is really good. I feel you are too good quality to mark intelligence! Thanks for posting about <a href="http://www.helpwithinsemination.com" title="" rel="nofollow">Insemination Kits</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10569984141721698587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-56008541165494008022012-11-20T07:03:44.550-08:002012-11-20T07:03:44.550-08:00wow thanx dude...
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The proposal stretches credulity.Rodneybghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04824468369669268091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-53090808829792173982012-06-22T00:04:12.544-07:002012-06-22T00:04:12.544-07:00It scares me that there are people like yourself i...It scares me that there are people like yourself in the world with such a blinkered view of the world around them. Don't get me wrong, if the world were full of people just like you then it would be a fine place to live, but it isn't and it's never going to be.<br /><br />The abstinence approach is a nice idea, unfortunately kids will experiment - there is no stopping it no matter what, so isn't it better that we arm them with good advice?<br /><br />The best way to prevent unwanted pregnancies is by use of contraception. 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It is the proaborts who claim the high numbers of illegal abortions to justify making the procedure "necessary to save women's lives". They are the ones making the prognostications not Dr Peter Saunders.<br />Many of the so called unwanted pregnancies that are not aborted produce much loved children and many who do abort live to regret it as witnessed by the increasing number of women who come out and publicly testify to try to persuade others not to follow their tragic path. There is plenty of evidence in the public domain<br />All the above arguments fail to understand the problems caused by a reversal of the age structure in the populations of Western nations who created a "woman's right to choose". The generation who created this right may well be the generation who cannot be supported by the few babies they produced and failing economic systems partly created by a diminishing number in the work force. Some non religious population experts are aware of the problem. If there is no absolute right to life, it is easy to speculate what decisions will be deemed to be expedient.Agnes Ainsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09273152164571775349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-51659464930198413432012-06-19T12:06:43.143-07:002012-06-19T12:06:43.143-07:00Rather than me explaining why the New Testament is...Rather than me explaining why the New Testament is so inaccurate I will redirect you to this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GF6YIk-2s" rel="nofollow">you tube clip</a> the man speaking spent years studying the new testament texts.<br /><br />wrt Hitler, he was a practising Catholic and had full support of the Pope at the time. You may want to play <a href="http://popeorhitler.com/" rel="nofollow">Pope or Hitler</a> and try and guess who said what. 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Are they failing as modern women if they don't? And that's the few who have the luxury of choice.<br /><br />However, encouraging young girls and young boys who are not emotionally mature and years from being able to provide for a family to experiment with sex is definitely NOT the answer. It ends in spiraling abortions and single mothers losing their place in the education system. NOT good news.fiddlestickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07756767401169853081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-69210182184163516272012-06-19T11:10:55.579-07:002012-06-19T11:10:55.579-07:00Could it be that we've encouraged a society in...<i>Could it be that we've encouraged a society in which unstable relationships are the norm, when girls have sex far too young when they're not emotionally ready, and where women simply don't have the support they need when they fall pregnant?</i><br /><br />I think society has been failing anyone from what we commonly refer to as the middle classes and below for years now.<br /><br />We have gone from a society which was much more family orientated in the 1970's with almost all children growing up with at least one parent at home most of the time, to one which by the mid 1990's had seen both parents needing to work to keep afloat and at the same time communities being destroyed by large out of town retailers. <br /><br />None of the political parties have any answer for this. Labour, in past times the champion of the working classes, only plugged the holes with increased benefits for working families. Benefits don't actually help in the long run as they create a dependency, not only by those who claim them but by those who employ people who claim them as they can afford to pay lower wages, its a vicious circle.<br /><br />Now 30-40 years later we have a whole generation who don't know what its like to earn a real wage and have to get by on tax credits. 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