tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post5083620943543420861..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: New round of celebrity-led cheer-leading for assisted suicidePeter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-78180787819216423732014-06-29T18:46:50.299-07:002014-06-29T18:46:50.299-07:00http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC111609...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116090/<br /><br />The article in question merely discusses the use of the word 'patient' as being out of date in a culture where the doctor no longer calls all of the shots, but must see the 'patient' as a partner in care. Not a passive recipient, in other words.Tina Dickersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14199136917310864830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-43656384728701660982013-10-04T10:34:14.493-07:002013-10-04T10:34:14.493-07:00I am opposed to assisted dying / suicide for many ...I am opposed to assisted dying / suicide for many of the reasons stated above by others.<br />However I have and have had for many years a concern regarding medical intervention (Don't get me wrong I have enjoyed and continue to enjoy medical intervention in my life when necessary). My concern is that with the advances in medical research and intervention we are condemning people to lives that are painful for them or relatives, friends to live with.<br />It is not that long ago that many of the illnesses and injuries that people have today and survive would not have lived.<br />So I keep asking myself should we continue preserving life as we do today or should we accept that our lives and times are in God's hands and we should not interfere.<br />As I see it so much of medical research is aimed not at preserving the quality of life but rather the length of life regardless of what it leaves in its wake.<br />An example of this level of medical intervention is Professor Hawking himself, it is not many years ago that he would have died as the technology to keep him alive did not exist and in view of his comments I wonder does he now have regrets of what has happened, medically, in his life.ARhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471848276007462585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-1759115810403562812013-09-27T12:32:07.078-07:002013-09-27T12:32:07.078-07:00Interesting, isn't it, that as far as I can se...Interesting, isn't it, that as far as I can see Tanni Grey-Thompson's comments on Stephen Hawking (http://www.notdeadyet.org/2013/09/op-ed-assisted-suicide-a-chilling-prospect-for-disabled-people-by-tanni-grey-thompson.html) have gone unreported on the BBC? It's not only chilling for the disabled but also for those of us with a "terminal" condition.Michael Wenhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18111619560360378627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-39539884110093734362013-09-26T08:30:39.101-07:002013-09-26T08:30:39.101-07:00I suspect Peter's objections mirror mine - not...I suspect Peter's objections mirror mine - nothing 'wrong' with suicide, but making assisted suicide *legally* available puts a large number of vulnerable individuals (the elderly and disabled, for a start) at risk of being pressured into ending their lives. Do you not get that?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-17613925746121232002013-09-24T07:55:51.609-07:002013-09-24T07:55:51.609-07:00..PS: just found an old article written by Rabbi N.....PS: just found an old article written by Rabbi Neuberger in the 1990s entitled 'Let's Do Away With Patients'...strangely prophetic and rather sick in hindsight...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116090/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-8289956787881494932013-09-23T09:16:24.558-07:002013-09-23T09:16:24.558-07:00As far as I can tell, here you are arguing against...As far as I can tell, here you are arguing against what you claim are popular defenses of euthanasia or assisted suicide, as opposed to arguing against euthanasia (or A.S.) itself. These of course are not the same thing. I'm wondering what's wrong--ethically or as matter of normative judgment--with an individual's personal choice to end his own life. You are arguing against potential pitfalls in how A.S. is codified--fair enough, but I'm asking more of a meta-ethical question. Try this: I plan to end my own life when I reach a physical state that is no longer worth sustaining -- a qualitative judgment that I alone will make -- irrespective of what the law says. Please explain what's wrong with that decision, and be specific because when I say "I plan" I mean I am literally planning this course of action and I'm entirely at peace with it. ThanksArnold Xaviernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-25845154214915142242013-09-23T09:11:31.431-07:002013-09-23T09:11:31.431-07:00Yes indeed. I have elaborated on some of the conce...Yes indeed. I have elaborated on some of the concerns about Hawking's proposal here - http://bit.ly/1aReDxYPeter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-19575386882232785652013-09-23T09:01:20.959-07:002013-09-23T09:01:20.959-07:00We looked into this issue last year in a consultat...We looked into this issue last year in a consultation at Windsor, where we heard from Canon James Woodward. He visited Dignitas and described a woman who had opted for assisted dying. The story reminded me of a scene from Solent Green where someone commits suicide as he has lost all hope. What bothers me most of all about this issue is how it is impossible to legislate and how vulnerable people will be manipulated into suicide. Imagine your mother who you have had a very difficult relationship needs care for many years. You live 200 miles away and she will have to sell her house to pay for that care. Do you give up work to care for a woman you find difficult? Then do you give up the £250,000 in inheritance taken to pay for her care? How easy would it be to convince her to lose hope and die in a dignified way, sparing you years of trouble and you get the house too. How can we really assess who is making the decision? Scary prospect for the most vulnerable in society.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04893444528706560376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-15518627831381350592013-09-23T04:45:18.099-07:002013-09-23T04:45:18.099-07:00This euthanasia thing was to be expected to happen...This euthanasia thing was to be expected to happen considering the nature of the society we are living in.With the traditional social values being systematically and deliberately destroyed,it is to be expected that a new value system is introduced.Considering that many people in power world wide are members of various organizations and cults obsessed with death,it is only natural that their value system is being promulgated and pushed forward as a replacement for the the values which they had destroyed in the first place.For instance,how can we expect from a prominent skull-and-bones member to have compassion on Syrian children?Such a person can only be expected to help them DIE in the name of compassion.Or a privileged eugenicist to care about the disabled?Or the followers of Margaret Sanger to care about the unborn?The BBC's reaction also comes as no surprise at all.Corporate media necessarily push the agenda of their pay masters,like the BBC's alleged involvement in psyops in Iran which according to some sources were fully funded by the dept of state.If true,how can anyone expect an independent and unbiased journalistic approach from them?Good old days are gone.Maybe they were never here anyway...Lady Daliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06033315588296039446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-50687534595783196952013-09-22T09:09:46.496-07:002013-09-22T09:09:46.496-07:00.....given that you can't even get the police ........given that you can't even get the police to investigate the continous terminal sedation of a non terminally ill nhs patient using the liverpool care pathway in this country if you are a native English speaker....the volume of relatives previously ignored by the Swiss Police (who only handled inquiries in Swiss German!!) may prove to have been absolutely massive.<br /><br />Dignitas - so 'humane', so 'ethical' the Swiss Police had to send in an undercover officer to obtain evidence of the abuse.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1127413/Cashing-despair-Suicide-clinic-Dignitas-profit-obsessed-killing-machine-claims-ex-worker.html?printingPage=true - Who Let Binding and Hoche back into Medicine????https://www.blogger.com/profile/00541156089092672817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-10288086138026962862013-09-22T08:32:34.754-07:002013-09-22T08:32:34.754-07:00EUTHANASIA STOP - in Belgium (http://www.euthanasi...EUTHANASIA STOP - in Belgium (http://www.euthanasiestop.be/ and @EuthanasieSTOP ) kinda proves how very UNPOPULAR euthanasia really is with medical practitioners in those European countries where its been legalised. Even the KNMG (equivalent to GMC in the NL) refused to regulate it, and only 200 of the 20,000 registered medical practitioners there lowered themselves to act as the legally required 'second opinion' doctors.<br />Its an odd observation, but the most vocal politicians who support it (Bragg, Neuberger, Bakewell, Falconer) are all a) personal friends of Terry Pratchett, and b) completely unelected.Call that 'democracy'?<br /><br />Furthermore, the reality of 'legalised euthanasia' in Switzerland is massively manipulated by certain factions in the media....why ARE the police in that country now being asked to investigate so many coerced euthanasias ?? Its because their police force has only recently set up a dedicated helpline for these cases....<br />Who Let Binding and Hoche back into Medicine????https://www.blogger.com/profile/00541156089092672817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-34348837869689971632013-09-22T08:05:13.523-07:002013-09-22T08:05:13.523-07:00See these comments on Hawking - http://bit.ly/1aRe...See these comments on Hawking - http://bit.ly/1aReDxYPeter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-29789606203345243532013-09-22T07:26:06.807-07:002013-09-22T07:26:06.807-07:00Don't really understand your objection to assi...Don't really understand your objection to assisted (or any other) suicide. <br /><br /><i>Why did the broadcast at no point allow a contrary view to be expressed?</i><br /><br />What exactly is a contrary view? Your links are vague on this point. I read you feel assisted suicide is "unethical" and so on but I can't find any points that bolster that claim. A serious inquiry --- thanks.Arnold Xaviernoreply@blogger.com