tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post6875932807313301451..comments2023-11-09T02:43:59.293-08:00Comments on Christian Medical Comment: Retired doctors working together to bring euthanasia to a town near you – SMF, DID, HPAD and SOARSPeter Saundershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-32291184593892822682012-06-09T14:41:17.061-07:002012-06-09T14:41:17.061-07:00I have seen two people who were dying of cancer an...I have seen two people who were dying of cancer and doped up on morphine, I am sure that as a Doctor you have seen many more Peter.<br /><br />Both of the people I saw knew that their life was at its end and both had said all their goodbye's and wanted it to end because they no longer had any quality of life.<br /><br />I spent a good amount of time with them and managed to talk about their death (something they were far more ok with than I was) In both cases they knew their life was over and they were just waiting in pain (despite being on high doses of morphine) and they both wanted it to be over.<br /><br />In one of these cases I believe that the Doctor gave far more morphine than he should have and the person died peacefully in their sleep - all of the family were under the impression this is what happened, and not one of them was sorry it happened that way. You can call it murder if you like, but there was far more dignity in her death than there was in the other cancer victim that I knew.<br /><br />Now, the real problem here is that you are using what it says in your bible to guide you. That bible was written between 1500 and 2000 years ago by men who (even if they wrote it with the best of intentions) didn't know how far our medicine would come - so there is no way that your book should play any part in the deliberations of how we treat people in this the 21st century.<br /><br />Additionally, who the hell does anyone think they are to say that another person should be forced to carry on living if the person in question really doesn't want to - I am sure you'll agree there is a difference between someone who is depressed and someone who is depressed because they are in pain and terminally ill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-91570595151046023012012-06-09T13:52:32.859-07:002012-06-09T13:52:32.859-07:00I know that many members of the general public see...I know that many members of the general public see pain as a major reason for changing the law but the pro-euthanasia movement no longer use pain as an argument because they know that pain can be relieved or substantially alleviated in good hands.<br /><br />People seek euthanasia largely for existential reasons - loss of meaning and purpose, loss of enjoyment of life, feeling a burden etc. Pain is a very minor concern in comparison. The Oregon statistics bear this out strongly.<br /><br />The above article shows how the pro-euthanasia lobby works and along with one of the linked articles above explains their current strategy built around two cases, two bills, the BMA debate and a mass lobby on parliament, which will no doubt be accompanied by lots of celebrity endorsement.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-58555131633861654022012-06-09T13:34:26.104-07:002012-06-09T13:34:26.104-07:00As I said, this article follows a tried and tested...As I said, this article follows a tried and tested pattern - you cannot give reasonable or sensible arguments for keeping people who are in pain and near death, alive.<br /><br />I have read the other articles, I have commented on some. The point stands that: this is an attack on the people who wish to change the law not on the possible change and what it would mean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-91918530058355329582012-06-09T13:16:19.804-07:002012-06-09T13:16:19.804-07:00This is an article about moves by retired doctors ...This is an article about moves by retired doctors to legalise euthanasia. <br /><br />There are plenty of other articles on this site giving the reasons why such a move would not be a good idea. <br /><br />Look under euthanasia in the header.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-41407890736768507642012-06-09T10:47:13.413-07:002012-06-09T10:47:13.413-07:00Oh dear, another load of vitriolic balderdash.
I ...Oh dear, another load of vitriolic balderdash.<br /><br />I have seen this type of article so often from the Christian right that its almost embarrassing. You follow the same natural pattern, being unable to provide a decent counter argument to assisted dying (assisted suicide if you prefer) you reduce yourself to ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />Just look at how you describe them... <i>"pro-death quadrumvirate"</i> - how rediculous<br /><br />And you end with the stark warning that <i>Democracies like Britain and trade unions like the BMA are vulnerable to small groups such as these. Be warned! </i> - no explanation why you believe that.<br /><br />You mean in the same way that they are, unfortunately, vulnerable to idiot religions imposing their outdated views upon us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2654455663519806899.post-62220465113742466962012-06-09T10:46:19.256-07:002012-06-09T10:46:19.256-07:00I've just had a tweet about this article from ...I've just had a tweet about this article from Dr Jacky Davis, who is co-chair of the NHS Consultants' Association (NHSCA) and a member of the BMA Council.<br /><br />It turns out that she also is a member of HPAD.<br /><br />There's a lot of it about.Peter Saundershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17222354018504253042noreply@blogger.com